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		<title>The tougher side of the conversational middle</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Uri Baruchin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary Hodder&#8217;s post about &#8220;The Conversational Middle: Maturing of the Blogosphere&#8221; is a must read for anybody who wants to get a closer look at where the blogosphere is headed. So I urge you to read it before you move to the rest of this post.But first, before I add my comments and 5 cents, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarchi/111272537/"><img align="right" alt="flickrblog.jpg" id="image15" src="http://www.marketingbabylon.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/flickrblog.jpg" /></a>Mary Hodder&#8217;s post about <a href="http://tinyurl.com/jdqx8">&#8220;The Conversational Middle: Maturing of the Blogosphere&#8221;</a> is a must read for anybody who wants to get a closer look at  where the blogosphere is headed. So I urge you to read it before you move to the rest of this post.But first, before I add my comments and 5 cents, I must &#8220;protest&#8221;. Mary kindly opens her post referring to my talk at kinnernet, but &#8220;credits&#8221; me with numerous opinions that aren&#8217;t mine, which were were voiced by me for rhetorical purpose &#8211; to describe some of the existing views. (and incidentally, I did use the word meme, though not consistently, because I did not want to exclude listeners unfamiliar with the term). Having said that, since Mary&#8217;s post precedes mine, I couldn&#8217;t escape a certain &#8220;I totally agree, but&#8230;&#8221; structure, to bring my argument back to my original intent. Anyway, enough apologetics, let&#8217;s see what <span style="font-weight: bold">you </span>think&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>There is no &#8220;unified purpose&#8221;, but purposes matter</strong><br />
I do not think for a moment that there is a unified purpose for blogs, nor that there should be. There are many different blogging subjects and blog genres. However, I do think that a closer look at the dynamics of each genre by itself is valuable.<span id="more-14"></span><br />
This is something that isn&#8217;t happening often, as most quantitative analysis is &#8220;content neutral&#8221; by nature, and most of the other conversation in the centre of the public debate is heavily focused on: meta-blogging, PR, technology, media and other familiar subjects.</p>
<p>I also believe that while blogging, micropublishing and online identity management affects society as a whole regardless of content, &#8220;not all genres are created equal&#8221; and that some genres have a bigger implication on the face of blogging as a phenomena and on culture in general.<br />
With that in mind, I mentioned in my talk some genres which I personally find interesting, and that are quite prominent, starting with personal journals (also mentioning creative writing blogs), and moving on to talk about the &#8220;blogging professional&#8221; phenomena (not blogging for money, but professionals who blog about their field). That last genre is where the discussion stayed. Maybe because of the people who attended, but at no point did I claim &#8220;This is what it is/should be about&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;The conversational middle&#8221; can sometimes discourage change<br />
</strong>I totally agree with the picture that emerges from the figures Mary so meticulously analyses &#8211; As the blogosphere becomes bigger, more and more activity will happen down the &#8220;long tail&#8221; in the appropriately named &#8220;conversational middle&#8221; where smaller communities engage in discussions that are important to them.<br />
My concerns however, aren&#8217;t simply a lament of the difficulty to become a &#8220;broadcast&#8221; blogger, because i do not care about that at all. I only wish to point out that some of the things that were possible/relatively easy to achieve so far, will not stay that way. This is about recognising what is lost without realtion to what is won. It is especially easy to see such things in the blogging professionals genre, which is a group that had a big impact on the blogging cultural phenomena.<br />
So far, it has been relatively easy to build readership, not to broadcast level, but to a couple of hundreds ; It has been quite easy to be heard in the conversation near the top of the tail ; It has been relatively easy to use &#8220;first mover&#8221; advantage if you were of the first of your field to blog, and become an expert ; the list goes on (and probably changes according to genre).<br />
This will diminish as the blogosphere matures. When you are the 1000th blogger in your field, it&#8217;s not the same as being the 100th, and certainly different than being one of the first 20…</p>
<p>If the future belongs to infinite communities, talking among themselves, the network becomes more complex, and more distributed, and there is no guarantee that memes can cross from one community to the other and reach the wide public. (even the public of a specific discipline / subject / genre, once there is enough mass)</p>
<p>Since the community talking among itself will be a very strong requirement to get any attention at all, isn&#8217;t there a built-in  &#8220;meme segregation risk&#8221;? (maybe not every time, but surely at least sometimes)</p>
<p>You can dismiss this view and say &#8220;so what? this what blogging will and should become, as it is inherent to the conversational nature of blogs.&#8221;<br />
That may be right, but it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that some things are going to change, and they will have a ripple effect, among other things &#8211; on the motivation to blog at all, on the blogging meme itself (why is it good to blog? What can happen? What can blogs do to society? What can they do to the individual &#8211; a central engine to all the growth), and on current democratisation of being able to become influential and leave your mark (again, I&#8217;m not referring to dreaming on being an a-list blogger, just being able to contribute to your peer group).<br />
It may even lead to a situation where with some genres bloggers prefer other identity management formats to blogging as we know it (myspace anyone?), becuase all that writing &#8220;won&#8217;t be worth it&#8221; in those contexts &#8230;</p>
<p>This influence goal, I believe, is not a mere male power fantasy, it&#8217;s what every ambition for change is about, and I&#8217;m not sure that what we&#8217;ll end up with, won&#8217;t be closer to current &#8220;real life&#8221;dynamics, that some of us may be under the impression blogs released us from.<br />
Democracy is great, but it is not a magical solution, there is often a tyranny of the majority/masses side-effect, which is a major power behind the traditional broadcast culture, and I personally can see how it can undermine the narrowcast culture that is often envisioned as an alternative to what we have now.</p>
<p>Update: <a href="http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/003133.html">relevant post from Hugh</a>.</p>
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<p>(blogged while on a biz trip to Moscow, comment reply time may vary)</p>
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		<title>The Kinnernet 2006 Experience Give &amp; Take, Brain &amp; Tickle</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Uri Baruchin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I spent the last week ill, and it&#8217;s getting late… I do intend to spend the next couple of posts going deeper into some of the content, but Kinnernet (this one was my third) is essentially a &#8220;all things weird &#038; wonderful&#8221; salad experience and I want to try and relate a bit of the [...]]]></description>
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<p>I spent the last week ill, and it&#8217;s getting late…<br />
I do intend to spend the next couple of posts going deeper into some of the content, but Kinnernet (this one was my third) is essentially a <span style="font-weight: bold">&#8220;all things weird &#038; wonderful&#8221; salad experience</span> and I want to try and relate a bit of the unique atmoshphere of that event.<br />
<span id="more-12"></span><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold">The setting: </span><br />
Ohalo is a &#8220;youth village&#8221;, which means it is quite modest in terms of luxury, but this just emphasises the beautiful &#8220;Sea of Galilee&#8221; = Lake Kinneret.<br />
Basically, Israel has two seasons &#8211; a short wet &#038; mildly chilly winter, and a hot, heavy &#038; mostly humid summer, so It was a great pleasure to spend Kinnernet inside the 10 or so days of spring that Israelis get each year. The visitors from California could feel right at home, but I wonder if they could appreciate it like us &#8211; Usually, we&#8217;re not as lucky.  (not counting the storm that hit us towards the end of the last day)</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold">Who: </span><br />
There were a lot more people this year, with a many more guests from abroad, and that made a real difference, while some of the intimacy of the first camps was lost, we had the chance to listen and talk to some brilliant people who gave us new perspectives.<br />
There is a good mix of geeks: hardware, software, design, art, ideas, entrepreneurs etc. And the reaction where those people meet is where the more interesting bits of the camp happen. Personally I would like to see more &#8220;idea geeks&#8221; but that&#8217;s just my personal taste. I should note that I felt some Israeli figures who could have made a great contribution were missing, but I don&#8217;t envy those who need to create the list of attendees.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold">Some highlights:</span></p>
<ul>
<li>Kevin Slavin&#8217;s fascinating &#8220;<a href="http://www.playareacode.com/">Big Games</a>&#8221; presentation demonstrates how simple is the technology that is actually needed to create massive multiplayer  real world games, you can see examples on his site, the power of combining simple powerful ideas with social interaction.</li>
<li>I was familiar with <a href="http://www.blinkenlights.de/">Project Blinkenlights</a> (interactive lighting of public building&#8217;s windows), but it was incredible to learn about the amount of work and thought that went behind the deceivingly minimalist results. One bit stuck in my mind &#8211; a member of the team standing outside and using his mobile phone to switch lights on and off In every window as a debugging tool. The sheer brilliancy is emphasised by him telling the camera &#8220;this is obviously the best way to do it&#8221;. Obviously.</li>
<li>Fear &#038; Loathing in silicone valley was a talk carried by the VC visitors, and raised some of the traditional tensions between entrepreneurs and investors (will be discussed in a separate post) another session the next day returned to the same themes.</li>
<li>My friend and partner in crime, Jordan Levinsky, had a terrific talk about attention and information anxiety, he posted <a href="http://www.thingsonmymind.com/?p=17">a summary in Hebrew</a> to his blog.</li>
<li>Maya lotan presented &#8220;<a href="http://www.urbanseeder.com/inside">Urban Seeder</a>&#8221; her design project of a social romance site that emphasises flirting and &#8220;slow matching&#8221;, which was interesting as a contrast to the &#8220;speed dating&#8221; dynamic of most dating sites.</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold">Some weird and wonderful stuff</span>: (too much to mention, how can you describe a place where <a href="http://tinyurl.com/gdsu5">Yossi Vardi belly dancing</a> is actually one of the tame moments?!)</p>
<ul>
<li>Yedidia Vardi, Yossi&#8217;s brother, built <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/arspoeti/126849570/">an amazing life size rube goldberg machine</a>. Someone promised to post a video oif the machine in action, but I don&#8217;t have the link yet.</li>
<li>Someone tied a rocket to a surfboard. Wicked.</li>
<li>Vladimir Zviagintsev <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/hanan_cohen/121414599/">flew a kite to eternity and back</a> using a special long-distance cord contraption, he also sailed on a raft made of tubes.</li>
<li>David Frenkiel&#8217;s Live coding/storytelling presentation was awe inspiring &#8211; as he told us the true life story of how his wife went to labour and he took care of the coding obviously needed to aid the delivery. It&#8217;s a pity this presentation isn&#8217;t available online as it is pure boing-boing ,mateirl.</li>
<li><a href="http://genesispartners.bookcrossing.com/">Genesis book crossing</a>: Genesis Partners (disclosure: previous client) was one of the sponsors, and found a fantastic way to do it &#8211; the released 200 books (of the sort that interests techies, geeks &#038; bloggers) via book crossing. Bang-on audience culture.</li>
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<p><span style="font-weight: bold">My bits:</span></p>
<ul>
<li>My discussion about the limits of blogging will be discussed in a separate post.</li>
<li>I also had a fluke &#8211; someone didn&#8217;t show up and I was asked by the audience to step in, I used the opportunity to raise some issue about the viral nature of blogging as a cultural and media phenomena and how those issues work differently in Israel. Luckily, there were various European and American visitors in the room and we heard interesting different perspectives (will also get a separate post).</li>
<li>Finally, on Friday night, I made a tongue in cheek 5 minute(ish) presentation  demonstrating the move from communism to consumerism in three steps, using Estonian TV adverts from the 80s. Admittedly, some people were left puzzled, but at least the adverts were amusing.</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold">On blogging Kinnernet:</span><br />
Kinnernet is a private, by invitation only,closed event because otherwise, it&#8217;s format will not work. However, I think most of the attendees will agree that we do want the ideas and discussions to reach out to the more public domain. Personally, Kinnernet inspires me, and I wish it could inspire others &#8211; beyond those who were there. The way to do that is for attendees to share their experiences and thoughts, and that can&#8217;t happen enough.<strong> If you led a discussion or attended and you have a blog &#8211; use it.</strong><br />
(that said, I do think the privacy of the attendees is sacred, and hope I didn&#8217;t go out of line with this post)</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold">What I learned from past camps:</span></p>
<ol>
<li>Balance brain/tickle: Don&#8217;t let the weirdness and activities overwhelm you, the important stuff happens in the classrooms and talking to people in between.</li>
<li>Balance Give/Take: the real opportunity at Kinnernet is meeting the other attendees. When people share something they are passionate about, they sometimes tend to switch to evangelist/broadcast/presenting mode. The best advice I can give to attendees is to have discussions, and not waste the entire session on a presentation/lecture. This is what I attempted to do this year, admittedly, with modest success, because of bad timing of my discussion (while most of the camp was busy shooting each other), but I&#8217;m definitely going on in that direction next year.</li>
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<p><span style="font-weight: bold">Bottom line: </span><br />
While the brain/tickle balance was a bit too much into the tickle end of the spectrum for me this year (especially on the last day, where some of the action drowned out the more cerebral activities), this is still a great experience. <span style="font-weight: bold">Kinnernet is a delightfully eclectic, occasionally eccentric place where you can come across wonderful ideas. Coming to think of it, this is a quite a good description of the brains of the founders.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold">Links to others who blogged kinnernet:</span></p>
<p>Tim Pritlove&#8217;s <a href="http://kinnernet.c2342.de/">Kinnernet podcasts </a>(overall the meatiest)<br />
<a href="http://pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/004277.html">Jeff Pulver</a><br />
<a href="http://blog.tomevslin.com/2006/04/what_i_did_at_g.html" /><a href="http://www.beyondvc.com/2006/04/kinnernet_2006.html">Ed Sim</a><br />
<a href="http://blog.tomevslin.com/2006/04/what_i_did_at_g.html"> Tom Evslin</a><br />
<a href="http://markpincus.typepad.com/markpincus/2006/03/blogging_from_i.html">Mark Pincus</a><br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/prbaj">Boaz Rimmer</a> &#038; <a href="http://www.notes.co.il/gadi/17979.asp">Gadi Simshon</a> (In Hebrew)<br />
<a href="http://technorati.com/search/kinnernet">More Words</a><br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kinnernet2006/">More Pictures</a></p>
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		<title>Post Kinnernet 2006 Stress</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Uri Baruchin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just to admit my shame &#8211; I&#8217;ve yet to put finger to keyboard and write of my Kinnernet experiences. I have much to tell, and many posts in the next couple of weeks will spin off things that happened and were said/heard there. TheMarker&#8217;s &#8220;Comvention&#8221; followed up without a break, nearly as hectic, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just to admit my shame &#8211; I&#8217;ve yet to put finger to keyboard and write of my Kinnernet experiences. I have much to tell, and many posts in the next couple of weeks will spin off things that happened and were said/heard there.</p>
<p>TheMarker&#8217;s &#8220;Comvention&#8221; followed up without a break, nearly as hectic, mainly due to people &#8220;asking to borrow my brain for a couple of minutes&#8221; (always good fun).</p>
<p>So this entire trip had nearly zero-downtime, and now I&#8217;m back at my desk (and so-called life) catching up etc. I promise to get around to it soon. If you want to make sure you don&#8217;t miss it &#8211; subscribe by RSS or mail from the right hand column. This is a low(ish) traffic blog, so it shouldn&#8217;t cause you too much trouble.</p>
<p>&#8220;BRB&#8221;</p>
<p>Watch the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kinnernet/">Kinnernet </a>and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kinnernet2006/">Kinnernet2006 </a>tags on flickr for pictures. I&#8217;ve also put some favs on <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/uriba/favorites/">my own flickr</a>.</p>
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		<title>Coming soon &#8211; Kinnernet &#8211; &#8220;the Israeli FOO-Camp&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Uri Baruchin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In two weeks time, I&#8217;m heading out to Israel to take part in Kinnernet. This will be a very short visit and I&#8217;m doing it specifically for this special event. For the third time, Yossi Vardi, of Mirabilis (ICQ) fame, with the help of some sponsors is gathering ~150 &#8220;net and technology &#8211; addicts, nerds [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In two weeks time, I&#8217;m heading out to Israel to take part in Kinnernet. This will be a very short visit and I&#8217;m doing it specifically for this special event.<br />
For the third time, Yossi Vardi, of Mirabilis (ICQ) fame, with the help of some sponsors is gathering ~150 &#8220;net and technology &#8211; addicts, nerds ,geeks , thought leaders, and other creative people ,in order to give like-minded individuals the opportunity to gather informally and discuss topics and concepts that are of interest to them.&#8221; (no media &#038; VCs allowed).<br />
The rules of engagement are open-source-anti-con = the attendees are the agenda etc.<br />
It&#8217;s always a challenge to decide what you want to talk about when you&#8217;re about to meet such a great bunch of people and can choose whatever you want to speak about. I have a lot of subjects I&#8217;m passionate about and want to share, so after much thought I narrowed them to three (which was still too much, especially since this is the biggest kinnernet so far):</p>
<ol>
<li>The dynamics of the Israeli blogosphere and what causes it to be different (and I suspect some things there are true for blogs in small markets in general).</li>
<li>A critical look at the limits of blogging. I feel that often, the evangelists of blogging are so busy preaching, that some issues are neglected. This is an opportunity for the choir to sit together for a critique/reality check.</li>
<li>A marketing workshop for geeks &#8211; looking at the connection between product, brand and experience. To a certain degree, Web based applications ARE communication. I wanted to suggest a framework for figuring out what the brand is about / what&#8217;s the story of the product, using it to focus the product, user experience and marketing efforts.</li>
</ol>
<p>Having to choose one subject I had no idea what to do. Eventually, I realised I should choose the one with the maximum combination between my contribution, and what the attendees can give me, since giving &#038; receiving is what this event&#8217;s format is about. So I chose number 2. The other two will probably be introduced gradually in this blog.</p>
<p>And yes &#8211; I plan to blog aboout Kinnernet. Watch this space.</p>
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